1. The very concept of vegetarianism is erroneous. Actually the word
vegetarian is a misnomer causing unnecessary confusion. That is why in vedic
literature there is no reference to such a word.

The actually term should be meat-arian.

No one can live without eating
vegetables and fruits, so everyone is a vegeratian . But those
ignorants/cruel/dumb people who eat meat/egg kill innocent lives, eat
tamasik food and hence are meatarians.

2. Milk is not meat. Extracting milk, does not pain or trouble cows. It's a
satvik diet having beneficial effect on mind and body. So there is no harm
in consuming milk. Ofcourse using injections on animals to increase milk,
denying milk to calves is a sin.

3. those who get into this debate of milk being vegetarian or not should
first understand that the reason of banning certain foods for civilized
humans is 2 folds:
a. It harms your own mind/body
b. it troubles/kills/ pains other living beings.

Anything that satisfies either of above 2 criteria, is 'abhakshya' food
(non-eatable). Everything else is Bhakshya (eatable). That's why in satyarth
prakash rishi doesn't get into debate of veg-non veg. he talks of Bhakshya
and Abhakshya food and clearly classifies meat as Abhakshya on above 2
criteria.

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MoonWalker  - Milk is Non Veg..! |195.229.236.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s Milk is Non-veg One of main articles written in the first world convention held by this ‘World Foundation On Reverence For All Life' is "101-reasons why I am a vegetarian" contributed by Viva Vegie society of New York, which I believe is a pure vegetarian society or a vegan society. According to them, milk being an animal product constitute non vegetarian food. I agree with them that milk produced from an animal is non-vegetarian food. Then why is it that most of the so-called vegetarians have milk? ReplyQuote 2 1

MoonWalker  - Animals feel the pain..! |195.229.236.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s Animals feel pain while milking Ideological vegetarians, most of whom have milk, harp about ethical reasons and say pain should not be inflicted on animals. The same people fail to realize that when cattle is artificially milked, it is very painful. This can be very well realized by breast feeding women who sometimes have to voluntarily extract their own breast milk due to some reasons it causes excruciating pain. The first time when the cattle is milked, she resists due to pain but later she gets conditioned and may not resist. ReplyQuote 0 0

Mitra |71.201.211.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s Oh come on! I am a mom who expressed milk using a pump ( in your words extracted it voluntarily). It didnt bother me at all. It is painless. Why write about something you obviously dont know in such strong words? ReplyQuote 0 0

MoonWalker  - Why dont you drink elephant milk? |195.229.236.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s Why Not Drink The Milk Of An Elephant? I want to ask a simple question to Lacto Vegetarians: why don't you drink the milk of elephants, which is also nutritious? The answer is very easy - it is because an elephant will not allow you to milk her due to the pain it causes her In short you are inflicting pain on the cattle and in the same breath speaking against cruelty to animals. How absurd. ReplyQuote 0 0

MoonWalker  - Robbing Milk? |195.229.236.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s Robbing The Milk meant for the Calf: If you do not agree to the concept that cattle and certain animals have also been created as food for human beings, then how can you drink the milk of cattle which milk is meant for its offspring? Are you not robbing the milk of the calf and depriving it of its nourishment? If cattle are not created for food for the human being then you are in plain English robbing the milk of the calf. Just because you are more powerful than the cattle, are you not applying the law of the jungle? Why this hypocrisy of the highest order? ReplyQuote 0 0

Mohit bhardwaj  - @Moonwalker |122.161.21.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s "The same people fail to realize that when cattle is artificially milked, it is very painful." i have seen hundreds of cows being artificially milked, but it never seemed they were pained, neither do they look like being tortured. "I want to ask a simple question to Lacto Vegetarians: why don't you drink the milk of elephants, which is also nutritious?" first of all, elephants can't be tamed. its milk is not as nutritious as cow's. "Are you not robbing the milk of the calf and depriving it of its nourishment?" absolutely not, a cows produces more than its calf requires, when the calf drinks the milk, only then the cow is milked, (as far as i have seen), these calfs become very strong bulls had tehy been deprived of thier diet, they simply cannot. ReplyQuote 2 1

Ron  - What pain??? |124.247.222.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s If the only way something becomes non-vegetarian is because there is torture and pain involved then would you eat the meat of a dead animal that died of natural causes and died a peaceful death? ReplyQuote 0 0

DR(VET)SC RAWLA  - MILK IS NON VEG DIET |117.197.160.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s MILK IS NON VEG BECAUSE IT IS CONVERTED FROM BLOOD TO MILK BY THE GLANDS . MILKING CAUSES PAIN . MILK IS FOR OFFSPRINGS OF THE MOTHER AND NOT FOR OTHERS. ReplyQuote 1 0

sunder |125.63.90.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE BASIC CONCEOPT OF NON VEG, THAT IS HURTING/KILING ANY CREATURE FOR UNNESSESARY CAUSE. MILK MAY CONTAIN BLOOD CELLS BUT ITS NOT BLOOD BUT A HIGHLY SOPHISTICATED FORM OF ALL INGREDENTS AVAILABLE IN COW'S BODY STRUCTURE RIGHT FROM THE QUALITY OF GRASS IT EATS. INTAKE THE BLOOD AND MILK ONE AFTER ANOTHER AND YOU CAN FIND THE DIFFERECE INSTANTLY. ANY ONE CAN STILL DRINK THE MILK IF YOU SAY ITS BLOOD, BUT NO ONE CAN'T DRINK THE BLOOD EVEN IF YOU SAY ITS "AMRIT". THE FACT IS PROOVEN BY YOUR CONSIENCE PLEASE DONT DENY ReplyQuote 1 0

Rohit |85.238.107.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s "MILK IS NON VEG BECAUSE IT IS CONVERTED FROM BLOOD TO MILK BY THE GLANDS" hey buddy if u want to go so deep into this concept then let me take you further deep, well then according to u noting is vegetarian cause animals & insects after death gets decayed into soil and finally plants suck up those nutrients from the soil.... so plants are them self non vegetarian ...... kind of funny; ReplyQuote 0 0

sunder |125.63.90.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s Dear Rohit, I want you to go little deeper. will you define plants also non vegeterian since they grows with this natural process. Any animal (Mutton/Chicken)cry, fly, run away when you intend to kill them. did you felt this resistance when you get the vegetables, fruits and other organics from the nature. Now you will say the plant too feel pain when you try to get your desired products but they cant run. Just think why they cant run..why they made like they cant run. You have to get connected to your consience to know the answer. Any Way I am here to tell you further. ReplyQuote 0 0

Answer Me Plz |122.172.43.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s Dear Sunder, Why plants can't run or why they made like they can't...I'm just eagerly waiting for Ur Needful reply...Plz ... ReplyQuote 0 0

Anuj  - Is plants veg?? |117.199.192.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s we all know that plants are living creatures in this world..when we take or pluck something from them ...then are they n't hurted???????? ReplyQuote 1 0

vasudevarao |59.92.203.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s Your contention that it hurts when you pluck or cut a part of plants is not correct. Plants are trimmed periodically. But plants grow well after being trimmed. You cut a part of a plant and it grows again. There is no pain involved as the plants do not experience any pain. It has no senses as we humans have. If you cut a part or remove a part of human body it does not grow at all ReplyQuote 0 0

AK  - You cut a part of a plant and it grows again |221.135.84.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s in this sense canu eat Lizard because its tail also grows/cuts ReplyQuote 0 0

vasudevarao |59.92.203.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s Plants do not experience any pain. They grow well after being trimmed. Only animals experience the pain. Not plants. ReplyQuote 0 0

k.muthuramakrishnan  - milk veg or nonveg |122.167.110.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s plants also have feelings according to botonists.they feel happy when their care taker comes. they show negative emotions when a person plucks the fruits who is a stranger. they grow well when music is played in the garden.they oblige their keeper when he plucks. ReplyQuote 0 0

taylor |216.56.3.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s I just want to say that this whole forum is very strange... animals are definitely not in pain when you milk them, have you ever even seen a cow get milked? Sure, they have been given steriods to help them produce more amounts of milk, but because of this they are relieved when they are milked since it relieves pressure building from holding so much milk. Second, cows are not milked while they have young. The calves are kept with their dams only until they are mature enough to live without the nutrition from their mother, and then they are sent to live with other calves their age while the mothers are sent back into routine of getting milked. Also, cows who have been milked before come in without any help from their pastures to get milked. They look forward to it. Get some common sense people. =] ReplyQuote 0 0

Sandeep Sukumar  - What ia a veg. Food ? |117.206.36.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s Dear all, Each one will have their own way of seeing things and analyzing it.You can do what you see as good.You can eat what you think as good for you. Each one of as had grown by taking the milk of our mother when we were kids.All mothers whether human or animal produce milk for their kids.They will not feel pain in giving it to their young ones.Cow produce milk for their calf but not only cubs we are also taking a major part from it.So only we Indians consider cow as our second mother called 'Gomatha'.Because we are growing by taking milk from our great Gomatha. Because of this only we Indians worship cows as mother.Some even consider them as Gods.... You can consider it as veg. or non-veg. its your choice(because different people define veg. foods differently...as its an English word) but milk is a Satvik food as told by Ayurvedic books... For Indians veg. or non-veg. does not matter because our ancient rishies never classified food as veg. or non-veg...they classified food as satvik, rajasic and thamasic... So for an Indian veg. or non-veg never matters....usually satvik foods are veg. ReplyQuote 0 0

Sunder |125.63.90.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s Its a matter of exploration whether the terms non-veg (maansahar)is mentioned any where in vedas or not. However I feel even it was not imagine that human will fall so deep morally that some day he will start killing and eating animals. But when this sin started in society then contemporary Rishi's clearly opposed it. Rishi Dayanand was one of them who strongly opposed non veg in his famous work satyarth prakash and wirtten a book specially devoted to "Gomata" calle "Gokarunanidhi" where he explored the merits of cow's and how its useful in our social life and even economical growth. At last for some one accepting the non veg as a sin and being vegi is more positive sign rather then counter blaming the milk and other veg foods also non veg with the illogical way (Kutark) ReplyQuote 0 0

gurdeep_1922@yahoo.com  - MILK IS VEG |202.164.53.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s DEAR FRIEND MIL IS VEGETARIAN BECOZ IT IS GIFT OF NATURE TO MAMMALS IF IT IS NOT CARIIED OUT THEN IT MAY CAUSE OF BREST CANCER, THERE IS NO ANY SPIRITUAL BOOK ON EARTH WHO SAYS THAT MILK IS NON-VEG , HINDUISM & SIKHISM BELIEVE THAT IT IS THE NETCOR ........... ReplyQuote 0 0

sanos |125.99.227.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s All you vegetarians are talking loud on killing/hurting other animals. But all who consume the cows milk should understand one important fact. Cow is not producing the milk for human being but for its on offsprings. Stealing the milk from its calves is the greatest offense. So veggies, now onwards drink your mom's milk only. ReplyQuote 0 0

Akarshan  - Paradigm. |122.167.65.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s To look at this topic we have two perspectives. One is as food and other as its eater. Lets talk about food first: 1) I can't think of any natural edibles which God has created for humans, that if they don't eat gets wasted. So in any case we are stealing or better say having a symbiotic relationship with our food as we are not autotrophs. 2) If we observe seeds of plant can grow into plants even after kept isolated for years if not affected by pestilence, but can egg of animal can? Some say it can be kept in freezer and all. So they have a point here. Though question arises for how long. 3) Milk is formed from blood of Cow, ok so gulping saliva also makes you non-veg, no fights now. This is what I call right fight in wrong premises. Here person needs to understand topic holistic not in shards. 4) Milking pains; well a lady has already replied for that. 5) Milk of elephant; this was really good, how many of meatarians eat flesh of wolf, tiger, panther etc :). and yes elephants can be very well domesticated but there is something like return on investment. People do use camels and yaks milk when there is no alternative. 6) Plants feel pain: Can't say much, internet is full of garbage but one thing is for certain, the pain not lasting and most of the time damage is not permanent. Moreover out of two evils we tend to choose the lesser one. As Eater: 1) Why do we eat? For nourishment basically. Then there are many who eat for taste. Considering that we eat for good health veg is good as when we move up in food chain 10% of energy is lost at each level. 2) Disease: anyone heard potato causing human potato flu? 3) Hygiene: Veg food can be prepared with better hygiene. No blood no flesh no stink. 4) If we look at our teeth structure it contains morals and canine, so God has given us freedom to choose, but also brain... ReplyQuote 1 0

Isis Avent  - Milk is Veg |117.199.19.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s Since it is an animal origin food it should be designated as non-vegetarian and not consumed after infancy as it is then not required. On the other hand, pro-milk drinkers say that milk is a vegetarian food since it is not procured by killing the animal and does not consist of any animal part. Vegans do not consume any milk or milk based product. ReplyQuote 0 0

Raj  - veg nonveg |202.144.33.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s hi friends, 1. I think as educated generetion of today we should not classified food as veg or nonveg. we just have to consider wheather that food is good for our heath or not. 2. I know our previous generation was more concerned about veg-nonveg but today science has proove that nonveg also equealy important to our health, ya but there should to limit to every thing because it contains high fats. 3. so far has killing animal is concerned, trees & plants are also leaving thing like animals. I thing our old generation may dont know that because of absence of advance science like today, so that on one site they use to advocate about not killing animals for eating purpose but at the same time they use to kill/cut trees to built there houses. you may also know that kshatriyas at that time use to eat veg but at the same time they use to kill animals only for there craze 4. If you advocating about eating veg only because our old generation use to do that then belive me our this generation is very much better then out old generation because they had made a lots to mistakes, we should stop blindly following them. ReplyQuote 0 0

Raj  - veg nonveg |202.144.33.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s 4. If you advocating about eating veg only because our old generation use to do that then belive me our this generation is very much better then out old generation because they had made a lots to mistakes, we should stop blindly following them. ReplyQuote 0 0

Prasad Damodaran  - All vegetarians should take soyamilk |124.124.195.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s Cow produces its milk for his calf only and not for human beings, so people should abstain from drinking the milk of cow, goats, and buffaloes or any other animal which produces milk for their offspring. ReplyQuote 0 0

Shaikha  - MILK is PROVEN to be NONVEG |195.229.235.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s AGNIVEER YOU ARE A MORON, REMEMBER THIS IN THE MOST SIMPLE TERMS ANYTHING EXTRACTED FROM VEGETATION IS VEG PRODUCT, AND SO VICE VERSE ANIMALS ARE ALL MEAT SO IS HUMANS. DONT ALLOW ME TO GIVE YOU SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCES. GROW UP AGNIVEER.... ReplyQuote 0 0

Ashutosh sharma  - Cow - The Go mata (Mother Cow) |122.160.77.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s We called COW Gomaata...so we deserve to drink its milk. (No arguments on it) Non veg - Always contains meat veg - When there is no meat in it. (Don't go for the procedure how it was formed) See with your open eyes and decide. ReplyQuote 0 0

Kumar  - meaning of Vegetarian |125.16.17.xxx |Y-m-d H:i:s Vegetarian: Eater of fruits and grains and nuts; someone who eats no meat or fish or (often) any animal products. if you have come up with new meaning for this word then Milk is vegetarian. ReplyQuote 0 0

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